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LadyG (
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03.24.07 (12:26 am)
Very interesting information PD. You taught me a lot today, but frankly my dear I know that you don't give a ----.
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seochris (
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03.24.07 (1:49 am)
Thats nice and I feel I should read abt that book"Gone with the wind" to get some insight into what u r saying here
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bawdy (
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03.24.07 (11:41 am)
"Of course we would all want to see the authentic toaster and genuine silverware used by Margaret for breakfast"
You really should get out more often. heh
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kurtmaddox (
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03.24.07 (3:27 pm)
What a fun trip... I'll have to check the house out sometime when I'm in the area.
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kurtmaddox (
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03.24.07 (3:29 pm)
btw... did you see where Albert Mohler of Southern Seminary has publically acknowledged that the evidence of biological homosexual orientation is compelling enough that Christians must begin to come to terms with the clear evidence on this subject and develop a loving response?
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Lisa (
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03.25.07 (8:42 am)
I'd like to think that if I had the kind of success she had, I wouldn't go crazy either. Some days, my tiny house is just enough for me to handle. i am working so hard on being content.
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surrogate (
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03.25.07 (6:36 pm)
If she'd have written the southern black folks of that era much differently, it might not have rung true, or at least I wouldn't think it would have - although maybe if she'd have written differently my own impressions of those times would have been different since that novel certainly helped shape them.
Somehow I've always pictured her as eternally old, and always a very serious woman. Why I have these images, I have no idea.
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PastorDave (
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03.26.07 (12:01 pm)
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I've lived around here for years, and would have never toured this landmark except at the insistence of this group of ladies of my church. It was interesting. But it is a bit of a stretch to call the building that I toured a "landmark". The original burned from arson, then to be reconstructed from a generous grant from a German company. Just when it was ready for show, it was also the victim of arson. So, what I toured was a second reconstruction. The land is apparently quite valuable for real estate reasons, and will probably one day be used for a high rise or a condo. Oh well, Margaret Mitchell lives on in the book and movie.
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PastorDave (
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03.26.07 (12:04 pm)
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It is an interesting, although probably inauthentic, perspective of post civil war America in the South. It is the first time I became aware that some Southerners, to escape after the war, moved their families and riches to South America. I understand their descendents still live there, although they have apparently descended into chaos and poverty with their lifestyles. It would make for some interesting research, sometime. Ah, if I only had the time.
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PastorDave (
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03.26.07 (12:05 pm)
Reply to: bawdy
It would be a very interesting toaster, I would think. When I see a nice kitchen appliance, I can't help it- my heart starts pounding and a smile comes upon my face. That's not strange, is it?
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PastorDave (
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03.26.07 (12:07 pm)
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And, should your travels lead you this way, let me know and we will get together for some Dreamland BBQ, or perhaps a Varsity Dog.
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PastorDave (
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03.26.07 (12:12 pm)
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Concerning Mohler, I've a couple of quick matters of reply. First, I don't particularly like him as a spokesperson for Southern Baptists. He certainly does not speak for me, as do few of the Fundamentalist demagogues who now have an iron grip upon our Convention. Secondly, my reading/interpretation of his comments differ a bit from yours. I understood him to be saying it matters little the secular reading of homosexuality, that he and those of his persuasion know it is rooted in sin and never to be accepted within the church. It's a viewpoint I have sympathy toward. And I do not think there is any real proof that homosexuality is inborn, but instead is a matter of choice. Seems we've covered this matter previously.
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PastorDave (
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03.26.07 (12:14 pm)
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What a great life-lesson to focus upon. Contentment. It's not in things- that I know with my head, and seek to know with my heart.
So, what would a few million dollars do to you? I'm not convinced it would necessarily be a blessing for most of us.
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PastorDave (
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03.26.07 (12:17 pm)
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She never had the privilege to become old. In her early fifties, while walking with her husband a few blocks from home to view a movie, she was run over by a taxi. I understand the poor driver was quickly incarcerated for a very long time. And, as I was told, those who know her said she had a habit of stepping out into traffic without looking beforehand. Absentminded?
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surrogate (
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03.26.07 (1:10 pm)
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"I understood him to be saying it matters little the secular reading of homosexuality, that he and those of his persuasion know it is rooted in sin and never to be accepted within the church. It's a viewpoint I have sympathy toward. And I do not think there is any real proof that homosexuality is inborn, but instead is a matter of choice."
I'm just curious about one thing regarding this: have you ever known someone who was obviously gay from the time they were a little child?
I have. You'll never convince me tht some people aren't born gay. Perhaps it's a choice for some, but it's simply not for others. I know, I know, even if they ARE "born gay" those folks should simply live a loveless life according to your position. However, since that's simply cruel, and I don't think you're cruel, I predict your position on this issue will change at some point, when and if you recognize it as nothing more than the predjudice it clearly is.
I predict a change in your heart.
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kurtmaddox (
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03.26.07 (1:17 pm)
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My purpose wasn't to bring up settled case law from our previous discussion, but, rather just to see if you had any comments since the matter has gotten press of late. I do find it odd that your reading of Mohler's comments don't suggest that he's at least allowing for the possibility that homosexuality has a biological derivation in at least some homosexuals.
I guess another way to ask the question, is "do you believe that our sexual instincts are basically a biological or genetic question or do you believe that each of us, homosexual or heterosexual "choose" are expressions of sexuality via moral decision making.
I've always found it odd that homosexuality rates basically don't change across a wide range of cultures. As you know, I believe the genetic link to homosexuality is as settled as is any of our biological understandings of how human beings and our various instincts work.
Sin is certainly a big concept to cover as well. As you'd expect, I believe the entire concept of "sin" is as misguided and unhelpful to living one's life as is the concept of homosexuality being immoral. Under ANY strictly Biblical understanding of "sin", we are all running around sinning virtually non-stop. The same Bible as says there are no degrees of sinfulness. You either IS or youz ain't a sinner! So, again, isn't it odd Christianity and Islam particularly spend so much energy making a big deal out of some sins and not others?
I'm not saying you do this, PD -- I'm saying that is the dominant theme of many churches to campaign relentless against certain sins while virtually giving a nod and a wink to others -- like divorce, adultery and women speaking holding leadership positions in church!
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kurtmaddox (
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03.26.07 (1:19 pm)
Reply to: PastorDave
We are ON like King Kong for the BBQ!
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surrogate (
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03.26.07 (1:21 pm)
Reply to: PastorDave
Sounds like she was. I think I heard she'd been hit by a car at some point in the distant past, probably when I was a kid - sounded vaguely familiar - but I sure didn't remember it until your reply.
I will always look both ways, and now I'll do it in memory of Margaret Mitchell.
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FinalyFree (
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03.26.07 (4:14 pm)
You can get Dreamland BBQ in Hotlanta? Sheesh I have been out of the loop. I've made many a stop in Alabama for the sauce, the BBQ leaves a little be desired IMHO.
Now for your trip, it sounds wonderful. I too, was 'forced' to watch "Gone With The Wind" countless times as a child. Both my parents loved the movie. I always pictured myself becoming Scarlet O'Hara, and in a lot of ways I did.
"As God is my witness, as God is my witness they're not going to lick me. I'm going to live through this and when it's all over, I'll never be hungry again. No, nor any of my folk. If I have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again." ~Scarlett
I felt that way many times and each time I'd picture Scarlet in the dry fields of Tara with that sweet potato in her hand and her uttering the words above, I'd thank God for Margaret Mitchell and the hope and determination she gave women.
"No, I don't think I will kiss you, although you need kissing, badly. That's what's wrong with you. You should be kissed and often, and by someone who knows how." ~Rhett
What a woman she must have been :)
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bawdy (
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03.27.07 (12:12 pm)
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Why no Dave, it's not strange at all. *smiles and backs slowly away*
Yesterday I toured the Margaret Mitchell House & Museum in Atlanta. She is singularly noted in history as the author of the epic Gone With The Wind. The book was a best seller of its time, and gained even greater fame when made into a movie starring Clark Gable and Vivian Leigh. As a child I sat through the very long film a couple of times at the insistance of my parents, and have not ventured near the movie since. But now I will most likely see it again. I would like to think that Clark Gable reminds most people of myself, but for the mustache. Except, I would have probably given Scarlett another chance. 
